Speaking to podcast host Joe Rogan, women’s sports advocate Riley Gaines, a former collegiate swimmer, discussed her Christian faith and how she sees biblical prophesies and passages as playing out in the modern day. Specifically, she mentioned how the Bible talks about people not understanding what is right and wrong and even viewing “evil” as being “moral.”
As background, Gaines is a devout Christian who has made her faith part of her platform and public persona. Joe Rogan, though famously an atheist, has also recently spoken out about Christianity and Jesus, saying that the world is in desperate need of Jesus and faith right now.
Speaking to Rogan, Gaines commented on how the Bible predicts people not being able to discern what is right and wrong in dark days, saying, “The Bible tells us that we will reach a point, and Paul says it in Acts and Romans in different places, he tells us that we will reach a point where bitter is seen as sweet, dark is seen as light, and evil is seen as moral. It’s undeniable that that’s not what we’re seeing now.”
Continuing, she explained how that relates to current culture war battles, in her view, saying, “That’s not to say that people who identify as trans are evil. I don’t necessarily think that. But what is evil is deception. Manipulation is evil. Temptation is evil; lying and affirming delusions, that’s evil. And that’s exactly how Satan works and how he operates is in the darkness, but now a lot of it is coming to light.”
Rogan, responding, said that while he used to think much of the Bible is “looney,” he has since come around to it and started to think more about what Biblical stories might represent. He said, “I think that what the Bible is, is I think, at one point in time, there was a very sophisticated society that got wiped out by some sort of a massive natural disaster. And then, over time, they told the stories that they had learned since they stopped writing things down. They probably had to live like barbarians for thousands of years, but they always had the stories.”
He continued, “It’s like this is like a map of civilization. It’s just so old, and it’s been translated so many times from ancient Hebrew and Aramaic and all these different languages down to Greek and Latin and English, finally. What was really said? What was really going on? Because a lot of it seems to be on the money. Like if you wanted to try to put this through some sort of a logical filter or figure out, is someone really trying to warn us about the natural progression that all societies and all civilizations go down if you don’t have a moral compass, and if you don’t follow and adhere to the rules of God?”
Later, when they spoke about Biblical prophecies not yet coming true, Gaines said, “Time will tell, right? I think Jesus’ return is past due.” Rogan quipped, “Jesus on the White House lawn, wow. That would be the game changer.” Agreeing, Gaines added, “I pray for that. Come back, please. Our media would spin it some way.”
Watch them talk about the Bible here:
Featured image credit: By Gage Skidmore from Surprise, AZ, United States of America – Riley Gaines, CC BY-SA 2.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=132979681